SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

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Invictus
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Invictus » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:09 pm

cadent wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:49 pm

Isn't L.R. SES primary and FRNSW secondary, surely enough equipment and expertise for a recovery in a hole.
Body recovery is first and foremost a crime scene and thus police, wherever possible, should perform the task for a number of reasons. Body recovery is also not a "rescue". If the PRS team tasked with a possibly recovery encounter it as a rescue...why not continue as a team with all involved to complete said rescue?

Western Region PRS is a support unit covering an entire policing Region for a variety of police specific tasks.

cadent
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by cadent » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm

Invictus wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:09 pm
cadent wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:49 pm

Isn't L.R. SES primary and FRNSW secondary, surely enough equipment and expertise for a recovery in a hole.
Body recovery is first and foremost a crime scene and thus police, wherever possible, should perform the task for a number of reasons. Body recovery is also not a "rescue". If the PRS team tasked with a possibly recovery encounter it as a rescue...why not continue as a team with all involved to complete said rescue?

Western Region PRS is a support unit covering an entire policing Region for a variety of police specific tasks.
Did someone qualified in declaring "life extinct" go down the hole and made that decision so as it could be just a "body recovery" and become a preferred PRS operation while the local agencies sat around waiting for the PRS road response ?

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by fireman2au » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:29 pm

"Body recovery is first and foremost a crime scene and thus police, wherever possible, should perform the task for a number of reasons. "

There are many occasions where Police are very "choosy" about body recovery!

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by cadent » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:42 pm

fireman2au wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:29 pm
"Body recovery is first and foremost a crime scene and thus police, wherever possible, should perform the task for a number of reasons. "

There are many occasions where Police are very "choosy" about body recovery!
Sure, then nominate the "number of reasons"..and the "many occasions" where Police are choosy about body recovery. You haven't mentioned the "crime scene processing" apart from everyone waiting till the out of town road coppers barrell into town to pull a dead stiff body...'cos they can.

If declared a crime scene, then that scene is investigated, assessed with the body in situ, then the body recovery is done and any post recovery investigation is completed.

Was the cause of loss of life reasonably assessed/investigated by Police..Scenes of Crime/Scientific prior to the recovery...?..and then it became a body recovery process...able to be completed by local agencies as rescue sector coordinators/commander with the skills and equipment under the control of Police as the controlling agency.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by fireman2au » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 am

Not one for picking an argument! The Rail Response Group has attended countless fatalities and the role of recovery falls to them.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by cadent » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:41 pm

fireman2au wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 am
Not one for picking an argument! The Rail Response Group has attended countless fatalities and the role of recovery falls to them.
Good example...surely a rail fatality is a police investigation, why do9es the Rail Response Group need to even exist for body recovery (more like parts collection from my experiences) when there is PRS and FRNSW with heavy rescue capability, and also the SES if picking up smashed, smeared and strewn body bits for free is your cup of tea.

NSW appears full of emergency/rescue operatives and capability operating in a too loosely regulated capacity.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Two Hats » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:47 pm

cadent wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:41 pm

NSW appears full of emergency/rescue operatives and capability operating in a too loosely regulated capacity.
Quite the opposite, with the NSW State Rescue Board, it's arguable that NSW is at least closely regulated and even over regulated.

Invictus
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Invictus » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:37 pm

fireman2au wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 am
Not one for picking an argument! The Rail Response Group has attended countless fatalities and the role of recovery falls to them.
That will depend on a number of issues, primarily if it's suicide etc. I would wager that were there suspicious circumstances they wouldn't be the primary option.


One could also ask why RRG have "fire" across their vehicles and what exactly they are in order to be classified as "emergency vehicles" under the Road Rules and why Sydney has a third fire agency (4 if you include ARFF but we won't).

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Obscura » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:48 am

Invictus wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:37 pm
why Sydney has a third fire agency
In 2000 the SRA fire service was closed down briefly. The FBEU become involved and you can read the rest.

From the union websit

State Rail Authority Fire Service – Back from the Dead

Last November the SRA Fire Service, a small group of rail firefighters employed by the SRA and based in Redfern, was closed down without warning. The SRA firefighters responded in support of the NSWFB to major rail incidents, and to all calls on the city underground rail system. Railways are dangerous areas at the best of times, and the SRA firefighters had intricate knowledge of track safety, rail signals, tunnel networks, rail fire systems, etc. It follows that when the SRA axed its firefighters, they also stripped our members of an important support service, placing NSWFB firefighters at further risk along with the commuting public. Our Union therefore demanded – under threat of industrial action – that the Government agree by today to the immediate return of the SRA firefighters.

There’s still some detail for us to negotiate, but the 10 former SRA firefighters have now all got their jobs back. Not surprisingly, they’ve also joined the FBEU. Stay United!

Source http://fbeu.net/2000/06/industrial-update/#more-5633

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by pegasus » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:58 pm

Latest SRB Communique from May 2018

https://www.emergency.nsw.gov.au/Docume ... ng-127.pdf

A couple of points mentioned that require clarification
"the progress of the development of a Rescue Data Base, rescue activities in the Hawkesbury Kuring-gai
area, and accreditation for commercial organisations." ?

"The Board endorsed that the NSW Police Force update its Computer Aided Dispatch system to
reflect a rescue unit’s actual capability. As an interim measure, the NSW Police Force are to
respond dual units to Industrial Rescue and Domestic Rescue incidents '"
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