SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

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thewhiteknight
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by thewhiteknight » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:25 pm

cadent wrote:
Just give ALL RCR to FRNSW (perm and retained) and where not able to provide coverage out in western NSW..the SES gets the nod.

Your plan immediately fails as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR. :roll:

cadent
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by cadent » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:18 pm

thewhiteknight wrote:
cadent wrote:
Just give ALL RCR to FRNSW (perm and retained) and where not able to provide coverage out in western NSW..the SES gets the nod.

Your plan immediately fails as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR. :roll:
thewhiteknight.....
as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR
So why are the SES providing primary then..?..anywhere....

pegasus
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by pegasus » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:24 am

Correct cadent, SES the second largest rescue accredited organisation in NSW ;)

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Rambler » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:31 pm

thewhiteknight wrote: Your plan immediately fails as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR. :roll:
Which is why we'll probably see some RFS brigades or combined SES/RFS taking on RCR out west.

thewhiteknight
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by thewhiteknight » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:48 pm

cadent wrote:
thewhiteknight wrote:
cadent wrote:
Just give ALL RCR to FRNSW (perm and retained) and where not able to provide coverage out in western NSW..the SES gets the nod.

Your plan immediately fails as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR. :roll:
thewhiteknight.....
as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR
So why are the SES providing primary then..?..anywhere....
You logic is again flawed. Just because the SES are providing Primary GLR in some places does not mean they can provide it everywhere. Getting back to my original point, "often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to undertake GLR" . That's often the reason the VRA or other services are required to have the GLR role.

thewhiteknight
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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by thewhiteknight » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:53 pm

Rambler wrote:
thewhiteknight wrote: Your plan immediately fails as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR. :roll:
Which is why we'll probably see some RFS brigades or combined SES/RFS taking on RCR out west.
Agreed, although I think that any combination might be RFS/VRA. The SES tends to want to stand alone and too a point that legislatively driven as any combined RFS/SES unit would have difficulty in complying with both the requirements of the RFS and SES Acts.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Sensei » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:55 pm

thewhiteknight wrote: You logic is again flawed. Just because the SES are providing Primary GLR in some places does not mean they can provide it everywhere. Getting back to my original point, "often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to undertake GLR" . That's often the reason the VRA or other services are required to have the GLR role.
The VRA are no different to SES. In fact, there's been a couple of VRA squads that have gone over to SES or FRNSW/SES have taken over accreditation from VRA squads that have folded over the years. I'm not aware of any new VRA squads that have formed to fill rescue gaps.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by JimK » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:38 pm

It is money and politics.

I believe the time for volunteer agencies doing primary roles will continue to reduce. But there is no need to push it as it costs more to do so. Why remove a voluntary agency performing a role that they capable of maintaining to replace by a paid organisation that will impact the State in costs?

Many country FRNSW station are not capable tomorrow to take over the volunteer rescue agency. Training and equipment to bring up to SRB standard does cost money, and as FRNSW had a 10% cost reduction, the government would be fine with status-quo.

The other point is that in smaller communities, volunteer agencies maintain some political power. The Nationals won't allow change if there is any risk.

In the end, VRA and SES will slowly disappear in these roles, it is the flow of change. Not because that FRNSW are any better, it is just a changing community, a change to who is available in the middle of a weekday to respond (or who is not). We can now afford to spend more of ESOs.

But in saying that, Volunteers performing ASNSW roles (CFR) in regional areas actually tippled in the last 15 years, and has proven effective.

I don't believe that we will ever see a change in SES or RFS performing and managing their primary roles of storms, floods and fires.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Obscura » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:38 am

From the R.I.P VRA thread discussing the rumored merger between the RFS and VRA.
thewhiteknight wrote:
Obscura wrote:

Cheetah what you are describing is how the merger or whatever you want to call it was explained to me by several RFS members. As recently as last weekend.
Some firefighters have fertile minds and enjoy a good stir. Rumours abound, but they often have little if any truth in them.
So now thewhiteknight thinks there might be a COMBINATION of the RFS/VRA but not a merger
thewhiteknight wrote:
Rambler wrote:
thewhiteknight wrote: Your plan immediately fails as often the SES cannot provide 'RCR' (GLR) due to either there being no SES unit, or if there is a flood/storm unit, no capacity or willingness to under take GLR. :roll:
Which is why we'll probably see some RFS brigades or combined SES/RFS taking on RCR out west.
Agreed, although I think that any combination might be RFS/VRA. The SES tends to want to stand alone and too a point that legislatively driven as any combined RFS/SES unit would have difficulty in complying with both the requirements of the RFS and SES Acts.
So we can disregard this comment?
thewhiteknight wrote: The RFS and VRA have a Memorandum of Understanding, the VRA is the current training provider and RTO for RFS GLR training, (this will change with the RFS becoming the RTO for both the RFS and VRA in the future in order to save the financial burden on the VRA) but that's as far as it goes at the moment and into the immediate future.

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Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by pegasus » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:49 am

The RFS have one rescue unit, that's a secondary rescue squad at Mungindi according to NSW SRB communique, because no one else wanted it, so they have a long way to go in regard to rescue, especially with the cost of a new HQ,... do you honestly think FR and SES will be sitting on their hands :lol:

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