SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

General discussion & common topics (e.g. Rescue)
thewhiteknight
Posts: 27
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:28 pm

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by thewhiteknight » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:29 pm

Obscura wrote:
So now thewhiteknight thinks there might be a COMBINATION of the RFS/VRA but not a merger - etc.


I stand by all my comments.

The earlier comment - in part "that's as far as it goes at the moment and into the immediate future", was a statement about the now and next 6 -12 months ("immediate future).

The later comment "Agreed, although I think that any combination might be RFS/VRA. The SES tends to want to stand alone and too a point that is legislatively driven as any combined RFS/SES unit would have difficulty in complying with both the requirements of the RFS and SES Acts." was in general agreement with Ramblers comment about 'probable' greater involvement in the longer term (ie not 'the immediate future). By 'combination' I'm thinking of wider options, one might be as a joint service delivery model perhaps similar how under 'CFR' other services provide the response on behalf of another agency. If the RFS for example responds in a RFS vehicle from a RFS station for CFR on behalf of NSWA, could something similar be viable for GLR on behalf of the VRA? (SRB approved of course).
Last edited by thewhiteknight on Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:02 am, edited 1 time in total.

thewhiteknight
Posts: 27
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:28 pm

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by thewhiteknight » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:50 pm

pegasus wrote:The RFS have one rescue unit, that's a secondary rescue squad at Mungindi according to NSW SRB communique, because no one else wanted it, so they have a long way to go in regard to rescue, especially with the cost of a new HQ,... do you honestly think FR and SES will be sitting on their hands :lol:
Mungindi RFB might be a secondary unit, but as there is no current primary unit with the SES still to be trained let alone accredited for that role, the RCO has been turning out Mungindi RFB. They've also been doing RCR over the border in Qld.

The cost of the new RFS HQ has nothing to do with equipment (including rescue equipment) funding. The capital cost of the required rescue gear and training over and above what the typical potential RFS brigade taking on rescue would be between $20,000 and $30,000, or less than 0.01% of the $340 million service budget.

And by 'do you honestly think FR and SES will be sitting on their hands'? - are you suggesting that those services will be opening stations 'out west' in NSW (Ramblers words) where they currently have no presence in the case of FRNSW and / or no viable capacity for GLR in the case of the SES simply to stop a local RFS unit from gaining that accreditation?

Rambler
Posts: 454
Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:52 pm

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Rambler » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:42 am

thewhiteknight wrote:By 'combination' I'm thinking of wider options, one might be as a joint service delivery model perhaps similar how under 'CFR' other services provide the response on behalf of another agency. If the RFS for example responds in a RFS vehicle from a RFS station for CFR on behalf of NSWA, could something similar be viable for GLR on behalf of the VRA? (SRB approved of course).
That certainly aligns with the thinking of the SRB:
In areas where the challenges faced by volunteer rescue services across recruitment, retention, availability are effecting the subsequent delivery of rescue services within the rural areas of NSW, multi-agency collaboration should be considered as an option for the delivery of RCR and GLR.

Obscura
Posts: 209
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 6:59 am

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Obscura » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:46 am

Thewhitenight you’re the only one who has introduced a time frame for events no one else has mentioned any form of schedule.
I will try and keep up in the future. So no merger, no combination but one option might be joint service delivery model got it.
Anything is possible and as Rambler pointed out it aligns with the thinking of the SRB.

mattfirey
Posts: 769
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:10 pm

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by mattfirey » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:12 am

thewhiteknight wrote: Mungindi RFB might be a secondary unit, but as there is no current primary unit with the SES still to be trained let alone accredited for that role, the RCO has been turning out Mungindi RFB. They've also been doing RCR over the border in Qld.
To what jobs ?.. people do keep a watch you know ;)

pegasus
Posts: 574
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:48 am

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by pegasus » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:00 pm

'Typical RFS hype Whiteknight !
"They've also been doing RCR over the border in Qld". you would expect them to... seeing as the NSW-Queensland runs through town :lol:

Let's look at what has transpired with the State Rescue Board in the last Year,......
Wth the NSW Volunteer Rescue Association, ....not looking good for the RFS /VRA arrangement.

Transfer of accreditation from the NSW Volunteer Rescue Association Tocumwal unit to the NSW State Emergency Service Tocumwal unit out of session following
an inspection of the unit on 29 September 2016. The transfer of accreditation was
subsequently approved by the Deputy Premier on 26 October 2016.

The Board considered an accreditation application from Fire & Rescue NSW for Primary
General Land Rescue in Murrurundi. The motion was carried with one dissenting vote from
the Volunteer Rescue Association.

The Board considered a pre-accreditation application from Fire & Rescue NSW to change its
accreditation from Secondary to Primary for General Land Rescue in Bowraville. The motion
was carried with one dissenting vote from the Volunteer Rescue Association.

JimK
Posts: 542
Joined: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:47 pm

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by JimK » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:22 am

SES numbers are decreasing, I would expect to see a few more SES units let go of GLR in the next few years but natural attrition, so I am not sure how people believe that Mungindi SES will ever take on the role.

As an observer, I would expect to see an uptake of RFS taking on more rescue areas. The current NSW Collation Government will not spend money on ESOs to take on roles that can be done by an existing agency to take on the role.

New FRNSW Stations are not on the cards in regional areas. I believe monies already dedicated to the new Mt Druitt station and new Training facility in Sydney's wets have used procured funds for a while. Funding for replacement stations is generally gauged over a 20 year project

Obscura
Posts: 209
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 6:59 am

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Obscura » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:07 am

How to cater for falling volunteer numbers was one of the main items at the latest SRB meeting.

http://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/48 ... ders-meet/

cadent
Posts: 136
Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:56 pm

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by cadent » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:32 am

Well...the plethora of..
Fire and Rescue NSW Commissioner Paul Baxter, Marine Rescue NSW Commissioner Stacey Tannos, NSW RFS Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons, NSW SES Commissioner Mark Smethurst, NSW VRA Commissioner Mark Gibson and NSW Police Force Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn were part of the State Rescue Board meeting at Taronga Western Plains Zoo.
emergency rescue Commissioner's did find 1 thing..
“Across NSW there has been gaps because a lot of our rescue reliance is on volunteers, and in some of our communities volunteer numbers have dwindled and that has put pressure on our capability,” Mr Grant said.
What else may have occurred that puts pressure on "our" capability...maybe... population and infrastructure increases, built, transport and hazmat environments expanding....

“They’ve done a review and the main business today is to make sure the services work better together and they are looking to cross work and cross-train.”

That will fix it... :lol:

How about rationalising the multiple duplicit agencies and silos we have responding to civil rescue emergencies...and maybe... increasing the professional response footprint to deliver required emergency services.

Two Hats
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:34 am

Re: SRB Accreditation & Communique updates

Post by Two Hats » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:17 pm

cadent wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:32 am


How about rationalising the multiple duplicit agencies and silos we have responding to civil rescue emergencies...and maybe... increasing the professional response footprint to deliver required emergency services.
'the multiple duplicit agencies and silos' - a big call saying there are multiple deceitful organisations. What evidence do you have? Should the said agencies get even more professional in the duplicity and deceit?

Post Reply