Volunteer Split

Volunteer organisations (RFS, SES, VRA, Marine Rescue)
JimK
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Volunteer Split

Post by JimK » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:54 pm

Interesting points, whilst people in NSW think that a merge of FRNSW and RFS would be a good thing, the reverse is the talking point in Victoria. There has been some notable issues between the volunteers and the paid staff of the CFA, including a public protest in Melbourne a couple of months ago:

https://emergencylaw.wordpress.com/2016 ... m-the-cfa/

Obscura
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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Obscura » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:32 am

Imagine there are a few interested parties in NSW watching to see how this dispute pans out.
Some volunteer firefighters just don’t like salaried firefighter’s period regardless of the uniform they wear and the same can be said for some salaried firefighter’s attitude towards volunteers. This is one of the reasons that would make a merger between the RFS and FRNSW hard to achieve plus the hatred most volunteers seem to have towards unions.
Have no idea how you can change such attitudes, would think it would have to start at the top.

Interesting information about some of the rallies from the same website. Allegations of some CFA volunteer brigades using public donated money to reimburse members who attended the rally.
Salaried firefighters are not allowed to wear clothing or uniforms that identify them as members of the CFA while attending political protests or rallies.
The same rules don’t seem to apply to the volunteers.
https://emergencylaw.wordpress.com/2016 ... on-advice/

Over simplifying the dispute, aren’t the volunteers upset with the UFU and the VIC government for wanting to increased numbers of career firefighters in urban areas and the career firefighter being in charge of fires in these areas controlled by the CFA?
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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Obscura » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:22 pm

I was wrong the about the CFA dispute apparently it’s about Daniel Andrews handing control of the CFA to the militant United Firefighters Union as political payback in a secret backroom deal.

https://www.facebook.com/handsoffthecfa ... =page_info

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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Obscura » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:31 pm


cadent
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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by cadent » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:54 pm

I don't see how making another silo fire agency is going to provide better service and interoperability in W.A.
United Firefighters' Union secretary Lea Anderson told 720 ABC if the Department of Parks and Wildlife had requested the help of firefighters earlier, there would have been a better chance to save Yarloop.

"If they had brought in the cavalry and requested the resources that were required to extinguish the fires that threatened Waroona and destroyed Yarloop, those fires would have been put out in our view much earlier," she said.

"You have to look at the recent fires in Esperance and Yarloop where we believe, the control and response to those fires was not handed over early enough to the Department of Fire and Emergency Services."
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-2 ... nt/7101352

Seems some of the problems may be when 2 agencies can't amalgamate operations...so lets try 3..?
The place will be as irregular and bastardised as road crash rescue response is in NSW.

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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Obscura » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:01 am

Cadent wrote:
I don't see how making another silo fire agency is going to provide better service and interoperability in W.A.
But it will keep the volunteers happy/quite

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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Obscura » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:33 am


lucky100
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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by lucky100 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:24 pm

JimK wrote:Interesting points, whilst people in NSW think that a merge of FRNSW and RFS would be a good thing, the reverse is the talking point in Victoria. There has been some notable issues between the volunteers and the paid staff of the CFA, including a public protest in Melbourne a couple of months ago:

https://emergencylaw.wordpress.com/2016 ... m-the-cfa/

Malcolm has promised to fix all this up as a priority if he's re-elected. :lol: :roll:

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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Obscura » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:40 am

Just to make things even crazier the VFFA is floating the idea of another fire service in NSW.
http://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/imp ... re-service

Clarifications from the UFU
http://www.ufuvic.asn.au/wp-content/upl ... eement.pdf

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Re: Volunteer Split

Post by Rambler » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:49 am

Obscura wrote:Just to make things even crazier the VFFA is floating the idea of another fire service in NSW.
http://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/imp ... re-service
Hmm, remove the fire reference and this could apply to another volunteer organisation in NSW ;)

- A larger group of people working together as above but forming a brigade that is supported by local government.
- A state based organisation working with local governments to support local brigades.
- The state based organisation builds an empire that looses focus upon the reason they are their in the first place.
- The state based organisation grows bigger with bureaucracy and over complication clouding their ability to properly serve those local brigades.
- Local brigades get frustrated.
- Experienced people often leave.

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